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JP Demspeys is attracting motorcycles to the neighborhood that make it unliveable. This needs to stop and we need the police's help. There are three bike parked out front right now and I am waiting for an officer but I have not had luck w the police's help in the past.
We need traffic stops for decibel meters on State Street.
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Donald Harvey (Usuario registrado)
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
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BenHV (Usuario registrado)
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There is supposedly a new state law on vehicle exhaust noise, but good luck getting it enforced !
New Haven Resident (Invitado)
Anna (Invitado)
CT Livable Streets Campaign (Usuario registrado)
Regarding police presence, has anyone asked the NHPD how many tickets have been given out specifically in this immediate neighborhood (not including I-91, Whitney Avenue, etc) for the following illegal behaviors over the past 2 years?
1) Speeding
2) Noise violations, including motorcycles
3) ATV stops
4) Running red lights
I would not be surprised if the answer is "close to 0" for all of the above. In NYC, a review of neighborhood ticketing found that the police gave out more tickets to cyclists than to red light runners in many areas.
Without information like this, there is absolutely no way to have action, accountability, or change.
CT Livable Streets Campaign (Usuario registrado)
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1101479047374-39/Safe+Streets+Letter+to+Mayor+DeStefano+082411r.pdf
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
If you voted for this issue it would be awesome if you would share it on your facebook wall so that other neighbors see it as well.
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BB (Usuario registrado)
Do you think 74 people is enough to have a conversation with the business owner? I know you had said hundreds.
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say what ? (Invitado)
Nothing more pathetic than a tatooed tank topped mustache and do-rag wearing biker with hearing aids.........
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BB (Usuario registrado)
Here's an update from LT Howell: Greeetings!
The Traffic Unit will be assigned to the area next week to deal with the problem and other traffic related issues. Additionally, The State Street beat officers, Folch and Przbylski, have been informed of the problem and will give it special attention. The enforcement should reset the mindset of the offenders.
Thank you for your concern.
Lt. Kenny Howell
District Manager
Newhallville/East Rock
New Haven Police Department
1 Union Avenue
New Haven, CT. 06519
Office: 203.946.7572
Email: khowell@newhavenct.net
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I saw that bike there today as well though I'm not sure it was super loud. It does appear that Diesel's new owners are not discouraging bikers. I called the cops last night on two super loud bikes that were parked across from Dempsey's. I saw no enforcement this weekend however.
BB (Usuario registrado)
Looks like the Management Team conversation with LT Howell worked. In the NHI today, "Asked about community meetings, Howell reports on an East Rock gathering where neighbors pressed him about late-night noise from Dempsey’s bar on State Street. He told Lt. Julie Johnson, who oversees traffic details. She confirms that she’s sending motorcycle cops to State Street on a late shift this coming weekend."
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/live_from_1_union_ave._nhpd_view/
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treehugger (Invitado)
These are not just playful kids, they are thugs, a gang who delights in terrorizing neighbors, scaring children and literally giving the finger to police. I'll bet my alder is too "progressive" to want to see them stopped. (She just wants more power for her union so she frequently sides with people who are blatantly breaking the law. Is this the union's policy???? I notice that no union alders attended the mayor's work session that was reported in The Independent.)
I want to add my vote to others. A gang of 12 or so bikes were behind me at 5 PM last night so I put on my blinker to turn to avoid them. Just then, they surrounded my car and gave me the finger. I had to slam on my breaks and wait for them to pass. Luckily no body rear-ended me. 2 hours later they were racing around the Green and Downtown with 3 cop cars flashing lights in the vicinity but not allowed to chase them. When I went home at 9 I passed 3 police cars patrolling my neighborhood and one of the officers told me they had been called due to the dirt bikes.
What a colossal waste of City money- people expect the police to come, we pay for them to come but due to the no chase laws and general lack of enforcement solutions, the gangs just grow bigger and stronger. They know they can do what ever they want. What will they do next?
Sammi (Invitado)
The cops can nail the dirtbikers, whose bikes are probably not registered, plus they may be riding stolen dirt bikes and ATV's.
The cops should simply confiscate the illegal dirt bikes for riding on sidewalks, on private property, and illegally on town streets.
Lexington Ave (Usuario registrado)
treehugger is right. It matters not whether it is legal Harleys or illegal dirt bikes/quads, this has to stop or the cops are useless. I still love their timing on "cracking down" on this noise issue as winter comes into play.
Reckless driving apparently is not important enough for cops to chase people for, imagine the state of any city when this happens.
S.I.T. New Haven (Usuario registrado)
I posted this to many issues where Mr. Smuts, top City rep, posted re: dirt bikes. I find it equally relevant here, and to many I apologize for the rant--but I like many of you are fed-up with the Mayor's office consistent pass-the-buck to our legislatively unarmed police dept. rhetoric. Many cops have personally told me they would love to work on these quality of life issues, if only Mayor DeStefano's office would allow it!
"Mr. Rob Smuts,
With all due respect this has been going on for nearly over five years now, at least, check this very site. New Haven residents are tired of calling the police, where we have learned to expect a quick fix at best. Though I understand your comment indicates an administrative change simply seeking to streamline the processes for the "response" side of these issues as it relates to SCFix, this is NOT solely a Policing issue. Your office, the administrative branch of our local government, is sending your police force up a creek without a paddle.
You are not giving them the legislative tools to properly deal with this issue. You ask them not to chase (I, as many of us are OK with that btw--less risk for those involved and less liability for the City) but are also sitting idle thinking that simply saying "we cannot chase" exonerates you from solving this issue. As a young tax-payer, long time resident and product of New Haven public schools, I am here to tell you that it does not. It is passing the buck sir, and may I remind you; this is not a hockey city.
Give your PD the legislative tools to be able to deal with this vital quality of life issue properly. The ball is in your boss's court."
Sammi (Invitado)
There are two different demographics here...... hog riders are not the same subset as quad/dirtbikers, but DeStefano needs everyone's support, so no inclination to prosecute.
LAAARRRSSS (Usuario registrado)
BB (Usuario registrado)
Let's keep it open until we see a springtime without it.
zoo haven (Invitado)
Bones 57 (Usuario registrado)
Theres 2 things in life that the POLICE won't mess with and that is the NRA & BIKERS, so don't expect any help from them.
You know the old saying "OUT OF SIGHT(HEAR)OUT OF MIND".
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Peter (Invitado)
Goatsville Guy (Invitado)
"JP Demspeys is attracting motorcycles to the neighborhood that make it unliveable"
I lived on state street across from Dempsey's throughout the 90's and early 2000's. Dempsey's has always attracted bikers. You get used to it. New Haven is a city and it can be noisy. If you don't like it, take your Yale stipend or trust fund money, and move to a quieter neighborhood.
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
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Sammi (Invitado)
The rude and obnoxious bikers and their defenders deserve a few barbs.
BB (Usuario registrado)
Cip was pointing to the folks whose comments were removed for calling us names.
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Peter (Invitado)
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Town E (Invitado)
Look, Depmsey's has been a loud Harley bar long before you came here for grad school. If you don't like the noise, you shouldn't have moved to the neighborhood.
Entitled brats demanding the neighborhood change to suit them. What nerve!
That said, the noise can be pretty intense, that's why I'd never live across the street from Dempsey's ever again!
As for the NHPD, they most likely have more pressing
concerns than fielding noise complaints from students.
Go talk to the owner of the bar and stop expecting this cash-strapped city to take care of you.
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I'm a little mystified by the notion that citizens need to talk to the bar. What? Obviously, Humphrey's and other bars know about this issue, and I'm sure they would rather that their customers didn't rev their engines and race on State Street, but what are they going to do about it?
Turn away paying customers?
Say, "Hey, welcome to my bar. Are you a motorcycle owner? If you are, and you plan to be loud, please leave now and don't buy food here. Thanks."
That isn't a "fix".
The "fix" is for New Haven to use the police and technology that it has purchased to deal with a problem that a large number of citizens are reporting.
joseph (Invitado)
David Streever (Usuario registrado)
Joseph:
I find it mystifying because it has happened and not proven productive, so why would it suddenly change anything?
The city needs to address this. They have expensive noise detectors, and a noise crew in the NHPD, and there is no reason why they can't use their resources to make a neighborhood more pleasent. There is no argument that, in the 5 years of this issue being active, the city has not had any resources to use here.
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Just do it!
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Local (Invitado)
Nice to hear someone talking straight up here.
I lived across the street from Dempseys in the 90's and it was super noisy then... This isn't a new thing at all.
One shouldn't move within earshot of a noisy bar if one expects peace and quiet.
The police do have better things to do than respond to noise complaints.
BB (Usuario registrado)
Local. The noisy bars did not exist when I moved in and I have worked hard to make the street better and remove the bikes. I wholeheartedly disagree with you. There are 99.9% residents and non-biker bars on the street so the biker bars have to go if they are playing there unfair share in the quality of life. The police can deal with other complaints when these are done but for now this a big enough problem that folks have already left New Haven.
Also, straight pipes are illegal and selfish. There is no defense that makes what you are saying right.
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Sammi (Invitado)
That's why there is no enforced compliance.
Look at the NYC debacle.....cops were among those thugs doing "show biking".
Ice Cream Sundaes (Invitado)
Y'all might try not moving in right near a bar with a decades old reputation for being a biker hangout?
Just a thought...
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Karen N (Usuario registrado)
To Ice Cream: Y'all might try not moving in right near ..... a known drug den...... somewhere where there were a lot of muggings.... etc. etc. etc. Right? So basically we shouldn't try to improve any neighborhood because we should have known it was a bad neighborhood before we moved in?
Motorcyclists should obey the law. Straight pipes are illegal both at the federal and state level.
Cops should enforce the law too.
Juanita (Invitado)
BB (Usuario registrado)
I was the person who initially documented this issue but I have since left the neighborhood. I'm not sure what the current noise levels have been. Feel free to close this if neighbors feel like it has gotten better.
Trimmin the tree (Invitado)
Karen,
what you call "improvement", others might call "gentrification".
If you know it's a rough/noisy/discourteous neighborhood beforehand, perhaps you shouldn't move on in expecting the cash strapped city to enforce to your bourgeois suburban expectations.
Pay a few bucks more and move in up on Orange with "your" people.
Us working folks will hang with the bikers (who happen to be super nice guys for the most part)
Sammi (Invitado)
No one should have to listen to absurdly loud and irritating noise pollution from bikers trying to prove their "macho-ness".
These idiots should be arrested for the illegal pipes, and the police should enforce noise levels.
Quality of life for neighbors is more important than allowing a bunch of biker gang wannabes to rev up their bikes to prove their manhood.
jacq (Usuario registrado)
Sean (Usuario registrado)
Trimmin the tree is just trolling, probably doesn't live anywhere nearby, and probably is a biker.
Asking for enforcement of laws on books is not uppity.
Mike (Invitado)
Virginia (Usuario registrado)
OK Mike. We get it. You hate the mayor. She should be out there patrolling.
And Trimmin, I invite you to take a poll of where the loud bikers live. New Haven? Branford? West Haven? East Haven? I wonder why they don't roar down the streets on their own blocks. It's possible that people like you (and them) moved out of New Haven in order to escape "rough/noisy/discourteous" neighborhoods, but still want that kind of neighborhood to exist for them to go play in.
And just FYI, the people on the shabby side of East Rock ARE working folks, trying to sit down after work with the TV without having to crank the volume up. Trying to get their kids to go to sleep. They can no more afford an expensive house on Orange St. than you can.
And the pipes-blasters don't confine themselves to just JP Dempsey's; they roar down the approaching streets as they come off the highway, so everyone in a 4-block radius gets to know they're here. Halleluja.
Why don't you guys just go sh*t in your OWN nest. Or better (if you claim to hate the rich East Rockers so much), go find a spot on Orange Street where you can be "rough/noisy/discourteous". (Probably the cops would come then…)
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
robn (Usuario registrado)
Loud Pipes = Tiny Disco Stick
Mike (Invitado)
Yes Virginia, my life would be better if I could live in a mansion on a golf course that my son pays for with "his" slumlord business that consistently evades taxes and lets people live in squalor. Instead I go to work daily, come home to my highly taxed home and sit on my porch while listening to low riders, dirt bikes and harleys cruise up and down my street while the cops do nothing.
So Ben, you moved? hopefully you get some peace and quiet now in your new neighborhood, I know I look forward to that day myself!
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https://www.facebook.com/CTCALM
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BenHV (Usuario registrado)
Realist,
You have an unreal view of the way the present reality works in cities. The suburbs are the place you go to be noisy and live without regard for others. Cities are places where you go to coexist with other humans and be respectful of one another.
The loud bikes belong on back country roads along with all of the people who believe that their noise is the most important thing around.
Minty Bitz (Invitado)
Funny... you obviously have avoided large swaths of this and other cities...
The present reality? What because White flight is now working in reverse, everyone should stop what they are doing and make this town a comfortable place for privileged folks?
We all need to coexist... So don't go moving into a noisy neighborhood because the rent is cheaper and then expect the city to rearrange things to your liking.
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
Minty,
I lived on State Street before the bikes. I have lived in many neighborhoods of this city. I have been to many parts of many cities. The noise that comes from these bikes is similar to the noise that comes from biker bars in the burbs not what I have seen in any other city or any other part of New Haven.
And this is not a race thing. Everyone deserves a stress free quality of life.
What kind of person tries to argue on behalf of socially destructive behavior for its own sake anyways?
Are you all for real or just trolling?
Sammi (Usuario registrado)
Cities are inherently noisy, crowded, dangerous, and full of traffic noise, so many of us would never live within that unhealthy environment.
The one truth inherent here is that loud bikes are hated by almost everyone, urban, suburban, or rural , except the macho guys who ride them. They are a power symbol, and the louder and more irritating they are, the more power they impart to their riders.
jacq (Usuario registrado)
Kam Lasater (Usuario registrado)
my two cents...
The issue I have is not that we need new or different regulations/laws. I would just like the police to enforce current noise laws. There seems to be only a small hand full of people who are bad actors.
Just as speeding or running red lights makes the roads more dangerous for other blasting around on loud bikes adversely impacts others.
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BB (Usuario registrado)
If we built noise sensors that reported violations automatically would you pay for one and install it in your home? Curious to hear from anyone on this.
BB
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BB (Usuario registrado)
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Sammi (Usuario registrado)
Also, revenue would diminish at the biker bars if noise meters were utilized to track and measure the noise.
Display Name Blocked (15449) (Usuario registrado)
+1 to this discussion. I live over in Fair Haven Heights, and about every 20 minutes a really loud car/motorcycle comes blasting down our street.
Have the police said why they are not enforcing noise violations?
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Same as they were 20 years ago...
Yet people continue to move near a loud bar, then assume the city should quiet things down just to suit them...
But I hear the suburbs are nice and quiet.
Taxpayer (Usuario registrado)
Thank you for finally putting this whine fest to rest.
Not moving in close proximity to a long running and well established biker hangout is a wise move as well.
Andrushka (Usuario registrado)
Carlos R. Galo (Usuario registrado)
Andrushka (Usuario registrado)
This seems like a good place to start. Seems like there is much experience and literature out there on the subject. This is by far not only at State Street or New Haven issue. It's part of a national, even international, dialogue on how to make cities genuinely livable.
https://www.noisefree.org/Noise-Ordinance-Manual.pdf
https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/7062dbf7-f60b-4190-8666-72c5deeadcf1/Dooley-pat-paper-pdf.aspx
http://www.ct.gov/deep/lib/deep/regulations/22a/22a-69-1through7.pdf
https://www.noisefree.org/Elkhart-Boom-Car-Paper.pdf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2013/11/29/no-noise-is-bad-noise-in-fairfax-county-for-now/
http://nypost.com/2013/01/13/quiet-please/
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/letters/2015/06/08/Police-should-be-enforcing-motorcycle-noise-laws/stories/201506080118
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article17344988.html
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Local Yokel (Usuario registrado)
The cops just might be tied up dealing with real crimes...
You know, shootings, murders, etc...
The police rightly prioritize these crimes over tending to East Rockers demanding a suburban decibel level at night.
Dempseys has been loud for over 20 years. Choose to live somplace quieter. Problem solved.
Andrushka (Usuario registrado)
http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_1_broken-windows-policing.html
Which outlines the most successful approach, to date, for dealing with urban crime. Take care of the little stuff (quality of life) and rest will follow.
Local Yokel (Usuario registrado)
Carlos R. Galo (Usuario registrado)
Local Yokel: you perhaps are not aware that New Haven crime on the whole is close to a historic low. Why couldn't we New Haveners demand a bit more for our tax dollars? There's plenty of people who live here -- rich and less so -- that deserve peace and quiet on weekends.
Why do you so readily claim gentrification? Are you of the belief that less economically privileged families do not deserve or want quality of life issues that affect peace and quiet to be resolved?
BenHV (Usuario registrado)
Stiltskin (Invitado)
Perhaps his / her constituents and concerns don't reside anywhere near the bar.
Andrushka (Usuario registrado)
Questions:
Does NHPD want to enforce noise ordinances? People throw around the line that many NHPD guys are also bikers and so loathe to penalize their own, but I don’t know of any evidence to back up that assertion.
Does NHPD have the capacity to enforce noise ordinances?
Does NHPD know how to enforce noise ordinances?
Are there enough people out in ClickFIx nation and circles just beyond in New Haven that can create enough noise to attract attention of city hall and then of Esserman and similar actors?
Are there potential “champions” among alders and in city hall to move the issue beyond the grumblings of ClickFix posts?
Some sources on noise pollution and ordinance enforcement:
http://www.noisefree.org/howtofightnoisemanual.pdf
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/loud_car_stereos/PDFs/e215.pdf
http://www.nap.edu/read/12928/chapter/12#134
http://home.uchicago.edu/~mstaisch/Sharad/papers/Legislative%20Aspects%20of%20Noise%20Pollution.pdf
http://www.islandsun.com/persistent-noise-pollution-reaffirms-major-enforcement-deficiencies/
https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/7062dbf7-f60b-4190-8666-72c5deeadcf1/Dooley-pat-paper-pdf.aspx
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BenHV (Usuario registrado)
Rose,
The motorcycle that I posted originally on here was driven by a man from Northford CT who came into our neighborhood to drink at a bar and drive his loud motorcycle through our neighborhood late at night waking children whose parents could not afford to live anywhere but near a busy street. I do not hate him. I wanted him to stop doing that so that we could sleep peacefully.
I can tell you dislike me and have opinions about me from your post. I am convicted that motorcycles with intentionally loudened mufflers should not be allowed to operate in residential areas. I don't like having folks dislike me for that but it comes with being convicted and I get that.
we legislate city ordinances for a reason. If you disagree with the city ordinance there are public processes for addressing them. You could even open a SeeClickFix issue on City Hall to suggest the ordinance be changed. It's outside of the traditional use of SeeClickFix but it's a reasonable use in my opinion.
rosehobart (Usuario registrado)
BENHV, this isn't personal, and I don't hate you at all! I love and appreciate you + seeclickfix and want to see it bring out the best of people and avoid segregating them. You're speaking about a specific incident in the past tense and so that particular issue seems closed to me (but i won't close this thread again).
But here is an example, in other cities, of what I worry about w/r/t to complaints of this nature:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/website-nextdoor-hears-racial-profiling-complaints.html?_r=0
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/racial-profiling-via-nextdoorcom/Content?oid=4526919
http://laist.com/2016/08/23/next_door_and_our_worst_selves.php
And I believe youll find many initiatives pushed by city (or, Yale) are designed specifically to bring people into New Haven (shopping, bars, blah blah blah) from outside the city. So in this case, the system you defend is functioning as intended.
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BenHV (Usuario registrado)
Thanks Rose. Wearing the WrenchHeart on my sleeve a bit I guess. I appreciate the dialog and keeping the issue open. I have tremendous concerns about the nature of Nextdoor as well and have spoken openly about it for years. I have read all three of the above articles and more on alogorithmic racism and have serious concerns for how a neighborhood Internet is run.
I am not sure where the racism piece came into play on this particular issue. I might have missed something and am very open to revisiting SCF policies if we are overlooking policies that might segregate people. I see loud motorcycles in residential neighborhoods as furthering segregation as they provoke people with means to leave and people without to have to stay behind.
Thanks again for the thoughtful dialog.
BB
Scott (Usuario registrado)
The one thing I can tell everyone, that has a problem with the loud bikes, from time to time. The men and women that ride these Motorcycles that are probably Harley Davidson's, do more Charity events than anybody here Complaining about loud pipes . These people enjoy keeping neighborhoods safe, Not randomly shooting others like on Winchester Ave.They all have good Jobs,Some of them are Doctors and Lawyers and executives in Corporations. Maybe the people complaining should walk in and talk to the bikers without the chip on your shoulder, and ask the person in person if they can please be a bit quieter after a certain time, normally if you ask nicely you get a nice reply, But if you tell them to because it bothers you and you don't think you need to be pleasant, You would be the cause of loud pipes.
Bikers are people just as important as everyone here, and normally don't have a problem telling anyone in person..
If anyone needs help talking in person without a keyboard
I can help with pointers.
:-)
Phoenix
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Dempsey's has been a noisy biker bar for well over 20 years. (I know... I used to live across the street from there back in the day)
Why would one move nearby to a noisy bar and expect quiet?
I suspect these complainers are privileged folks who are looking for a cheaper rent than the going rate on Orange Street.
It blows my mind how these folks expect the world to cater to their expected comfort level.
Special snowflakes...
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Sometimes I truly hate spellcheck that adds words that I don't even say. I don't use my fingers to text because they're too big for this little phone. Everyone has a right to live and enjoy their life and motorcycle riders make a little noise for a few months out of the year and and then it's nice and quiet for everybody I love New Haven and I don't mind hearing The American bikes . But when the Japanese bikes zip down the road on one wheel with wide-open chainsaw noises that's more irritating to me or the group of quads and minibikes that go in the parks , and rip up the lawn and flowerbeds are at the park department really does a good job on so we can't walk and enjoy the flowers but that's OK for you guys these people don't do that stuff I've talk to them many times and they're mostly good people just like everyone here is mostly good I don't know you personally. People here might have a mental problem.
It's fine with me if they don't bother personally, everyone has their right to have an opinion, sometimes it's easier not to take it to heart too much and just be happy .
The weather is going to start getting nice and you shouldn't go out and enjoy the weather and if you hear a little motorcycle once in a while try to start enjoying that noise and I won't bother you anymore .
🐸😘🤔
Phoenix/ Scott
Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
But most of these people will just keep complaining about everything that falls short of their comfortable, suburban expectations.
Sammi (Usuario registrado)
This is not elitist snobs picking on kind thoughtful motorcycle riders. This is local neighborhoods who are sick of these macho loud pipe bikers who wake everyone up at 2:00 A.M. leaving the bars after too many beers.
Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
So don't move near a bar.
Pretty simple really.
Sammi (Usuario registrado)
Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
Harleys have been the status quo outside of Dempsey's for well over 20 years.
It sucked when I lived across the street, but I got used to it...
Why should all if that change now that you live nearby?
And btw, quite a few if those guys rocking loud pipes out there are off-duty cops.
It is what it is...
Why not live in a more quiet neighborhood if quiet is what you desire?
Please stop trying to gentrify every goddamned inch of this town.
Bryan (Usuario registrado)
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Sammi (Usuario registrado)
Then we have the truly considerate dirt bike and quad riders who roam the streets, sidewalks, and parks looking to create mayhem at every opportunity. The police seem incapable of finding a solution to the antics of that group of "really nice people" too..............do we dare say the word "sanctuary" ??
Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
I believe moving near a traditionally noisy bar, then expecting quiet is very definition of "self centered".
The quads and dirtbikes are most definitely a serious public issue. Yet they are an entirely unrelated issue to the bikers at Dempseys.
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Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
You should have warned your tennants of the noise when they were considering the apartment, no?
Some people are just too soft for the noise of the neighborhood.
There are quieter neighborhoods around (but they cost more...)
ronny (Usuario registrado)
kmbarne (Usuario registrado)
kmbarne (Usuario registrado)
kmbarne (Usuario registrado)
We'll see how they cater to these inconsiderate folk.
ronny (Usuario registrado)
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Kent 14 (Usuario registrado)
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Scott (Usuario registrado)
It seems to me that mostly everyone here has never been on a motorcycle and are to good to be on one, but I would like to tell you most of the bigger bikes cost close to or higher than $30,000.00 so these men and women all have jobs. With hobbies just a little different than some of yours.
The real problem is the dirt bikes and quads with no license plates or licenses I don't care about traffic or people in general.
Sammi (Usuario registrado)
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neighbor (Usuario registrado)
The city is NOT powerless to do something about this. I live over on Mansfield Street and at the beginning of every spring/summer, depending on the weather, there is a rash of muffler-less motorcycles or offroads or just plain loud motorcycles. Then, apparently, there is a cacophony of phone calls to the city police and Yale police, and they take our calls seriously. A few hefty tickets and encounters with the police, and the offenders go elsewhere -- likely to upper State Street.
The message here is: Everyone call, flood the police lines, every single time, until the police get fed up enough that they send out a fleet, night after night, to hound down these people.
While I'm happy every year that people stop doing this in my neighborhood, I really feel your pain, you guys over in East Rock and Upper State. I must confess that when I hear that noise, I have evil thoughts and don't wish long lives for the offenders...
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